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Post by isaackoi on Jan 2, 2011 18:53:51 GMT -5
Hi Jim, All,
Jim - I am a barrister in England with an interest in various issues relating to reports of "UFOs". I recently circulated a 1,800 page draft UFO chronology as a free download on the Internet and am in the process of transferring that material to a website.
At some point, I'd like to properly get to grips with various issues regarding the Rendlesham Incident. I've already collated page references to discussion of the incident in 89 UFO books and also obtained some other relevant material.
For the moment, I wonder whether I can impose on you by putting a few questions regarding the the binary code that you discussed at the recent "Return to Rendlesham" event and which featured in the "Ancient Aliens" episode broadcast in the USA on 30th December 2010?
(1) One basic question - how much code is there? I have seen an interview of you in which you refer to having written "like 12 ... 14" pages of code. In the History Channel documentary, the narrator and the computing expert refer to 6 pages. Various other individuals in discussions online in the last few days have also referred to 8 and 9 pages... Can you clarify the position? Were all the pages of code typed up by the History Channel's expert and run through his encoding/decoding process - or only some of the pages?
(2) Most obviously, is it possible now - or will it become possible at some point - to obtain the full code? I'm sure you have already been asked this question repeatedly, which is one reason why I haven't attempted to contact you earlier...
(3) One of the individuals that attended the "Return to Rendlesham" event, Dave Hodrien of the Birmingham UFO Group, has stated "someone has tested the note paper and ink to prove he wrote it back in 1980". Can you confirm that tests have been done? Can you provide any details of the relevant tests and the results - or point me in the right direction if you have also indicated any of these details somewhere?
All the best,
Isaac
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Post by ronniedugdale on Jan 2, 2011 20:05:39 GMT -5
Thank you for your question isaackoi ,As this question is directed to Jim Penniston personally it is only correct that he answers it himself which I am sure he will due at his earliest convenience.
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Post by isaackoi on Jan 2, 2011 20:16:39 GMT -5
As this question is directed to Jim Penniston personally it is only correct that he answers it himself which I am sure he will due at his earliest convenience. Thanks. I look forward to hearing from him. All the best, Isaac
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Post by jpenniston on Jan 2, 2011 21:14:30 GMT -5
Hi Jim, All, Jim - I am a barrister in England with an interest in various issues relating to reports of "UFOs". I recently circulated a 1,800 draft UFO chronology as a free download on the Internet and am in the process of transferring that material to a website. At some point, I'd like to properly get to grips with various issues regarding the Rendlesham Incident. I've already collated page references to discussion of the incident in 89 UFO books and also obtained some other relevant material. For the moment, I wonder whether I can impose on you by putting a few questions regarding the the binary code that you discussed at the recent "Return to Rendlesham" event and which featured in the "Ancient Aliens" episode broadcast in the USA on 30th December 2010? (1) One basic question - how much code is there? I have seen an interview of you in which you refer to having written "like 12 ... 14" pages of code. In the History Channel documentary, the narrator and the computing expert refer to 6 pages. Various other individuals in discussions online in the last few days have also referred to 8 and 9 pages... Can you clarify the position? Were all the pages of code typed up by the History Channel's expert and run through his encoding/decoding process - or only some of the pages? (2) Most obviously, is it possible now - or will it become possible at some point - to obtain the full code? I'm sure you have already been asked this question repeatedly, which is one reason why I haven't attempted to contact you earlier... (3) One of the individuals that attended the "Return to Rendlesham" event, Dave Hodrien of the Birmingham UFO Group, has stated "someone has tested the note paper and ink to prove he wrote it back in 1980". Can you confirm that tests have been done? Can you provide any details of the relevant tests and the results - or point me in the right direction if you have also indicated any of these details somewhere? All the best, Isaac Hello Isaac, We knew of the importance of this, once discovered. Please go to Linda Moulton Howe's website for the answers to your questions... www.Earthfiles.comAll the best, Jim
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Post by isaackoi on Jan 2, 2011 21:33:34 GMT -5
We knew of the importance of this, once discovered. Please go to Linda Moulton Howe's website for the answers to your questions... www.Earthfiles.comThanks Jim - I've been to Linda Moulton Howe's website several times, including tonight. I assume you are referring to her 3 part update on Rendlesham, particularly Part 3. I've looked at each of those parts. I'm afraid I don't see the answers to my questions there. Indeed, the material on Linda's website adds to the confusion on at least one of the points I raised i.e. how many pages of code there are (given that I'd seen references to 6 pages, 8 pages, 9 pages, 12 pages and 14 pages). Linda's website adds a new number since she has a reference to a "Summary of 5 pages of Jim Penniston's December 1980 hand-written binary code" and the body of Part 3 of her report refers to you sharing 5 pages with her. Oh well... All the best, Isaac
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Post by uforn on Jan 2, 2011 21:45:50 GMT -5
Im also very cofused in all this, Linda's site does not help the UFO comunity at al! Its adding more confusion in this as we speak
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Post by ronniedugdale on Jan 3, 2011 11:58:32 GMT -5
Hi uforn and isaackoi follow the earthfiles link scroll down the page where you will see the 5 pages of binary code shared with Linda Moulton Howe decoded . www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1802&category=Environment Note Linda's comment under Latitude and Longitude Location in binary code her comment Jim Penniston also told the Woodbridge Community Hall audience on December 28, 2010, that he still has several more pages of binary code in his notebook that he has not yet released for public consideration. I trust this answers your question, kind regards Ronnie
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Post by Admin on Jan 3, 2011 12:45:34 GMT -5
Thanks Ronnie As I did not attend the reunion on the 28th the information posted on Linda Moulton Howe's website has answerd a lot of my own questions, but I think the 3rd question Isaac has asked is now a very important question. (3) One of the individuals that attended the "Return to Rendlesham" event, Dave Hodrien of the Birmingham UFO Group, has stated "someone has tested the note paper and ink to prove he wrote it back in 1980". Can you confirm that tests have been done? Can you provide any details of the relevant tests and the results - or point me in the right direction if you have also indicated any of these details somewhere? All the best, Isaac If the book and ink has been tested and proof can be shown that the binary code was wrote back in 1980, this will win back support of a lot of people who have supported John and Jims claims over the years who are now worried Rendlesham is turning into a fringe UFOlogy case. This will also help shut up the usual suspects That said, maybe Jim & John can not answer these questions yet? Are they tied to a confidentiality agreement again and the above information will soon be released via another TV show or interview? Time will tell I guess.
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Post by isaackoi on Jan 3, 2011 12:57:31 GMT -5
That said, maybe Jim & John can not answer these questions yet? Are they tied to a confidentiality agreement again and the above information will soon be released via another TV show or interview? Possibly, but that isn't what Jim said. He said I will find the answers to my questions on Linda's website. As indicated above, I'm not sure I understand Jim's statement. In the light of Jim's answer, I've read Linda's 3 part article several times now - but haven't found the answers to my questions there. I still do not know: (1) how many pages of code there actually are (12, 14 or some lessor number). (2) other than the 5 pages shown on Linda's website, what is the position in relation to the remaining 7/9/x pages. Will these be made available at some point? (3) whether the reported forensic tests have in fact been carried out and, if so, are details available. All the best, Isaac
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Post by uforn on Jan 3, 2011 13:21:29 GMT -5
Thanks Ronnie As I did not attend the reunion on the 28th the information posted on Linda Moulton Howe's website has answerd a lot of my own questions, but I think the 3rd question Isaac has asked is now a very important question. (3) One of the individuals that attended the "Return to Rendlesham" event, Dave Hodrien of the Birmingham UFO Group, has stated "someone has tested the note paper and ink to prove he wrote it back in 1980". Can you confirm that tests have been done? Can you provide any details of the relevant tests and the results - or point me in the right direction if you have also indicated any of these details somewhere? All the best, Isaac If the book and ink has been tested and proof can be shown that the binary code was wrote back in 1980, this will win back support of a lot of people who have supported John and Jims claims over the years who are now worried Rendlesham is turning into a fringe UFOlogy case. This will also help shut up the usual suspects That said, maybe Jim & John can not answer these questions yet? Are they tied to a confidentiality agreement again and the above information will soon be released via another TV show or interview? Time will tell I guess. Thanks i still support Jim and John but like Issac says there's alot still needs to be answered. This is the Biggest news on this case to date. With something this big you would think that it would be put into the public domain asap, Also reguarding the Binary Numbers, im no expert but would it not be wise to pass these codes over to a University to decode? Sorry if this has already been done. I know there were 3 independant tests done with the same results, have all the pages of Binary been decoded? On the Ancient Aliens episode they said that the co-ords which were decoded pointed to Hy Brasil yet on Linda's site the co-ords point to Woodbridge Town Centre, this is rather confusing.
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Post by ufobevy on Jan 3, 2011 13:58:47 GMT -5
On the Ancient Aliens episode they said that the co-ords which were decoded pointed to Hy Brasil yet on Linda's site the co-ords point to Woodbridge Town Centre, this is rather confusing. Hi uforn What Information I have discovered about Hy Brasil is that it was a ghost island, a Irish myth and that it was never fixed in one location but moved along the south, east and north coast of Ireland. Brasil showing up on the map of Ireland by Abraham Ortelius in 1572 You could pretty much put an 'X' on the map anywhere off the west coast of Britain or Ireland and claim it to be the location of Hy Brasil. But hey, if 'X' marks the spot lets get digging and see what is down there ;D
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Post by uforn on Jan 3, 2011 14:13:39 GMT -5
On the Ancient Aliens episode they said that the co-ords which were decoded pointed to Hy Brasil yet on Linda's site the co-ords point to Woodbridge Town Centre, this is rather confusing. Hi uforn What Information I have discovered about Hy Brasil is that it was a ghost island, a Irish myth and that it was never fixed in one location but moved along the south, east and north coast of Ireland. Brasil showing up on the map of Ireland by Abraham Ortelius in 1572 You could pretty much put an 'X' on the map anywhere off the west coast of Britain or Ireland and claim it to be the location of Hy Brasil. But hey, if 'X' marks the spot lets get digging and see what is down there ;D Hi ufobevy Yes weve done our checks on hy brasil its supposed to be a sunken island much like atlantis,
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Post by nobby on Jan 3, 2011 14:52:36 GMT -5
I must admit to being concerned at the two differing accounts, it will give Ian Ridpath ammunition, and we don't want that, lets clear up this confusion A.S.A.P. please, cheers
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Post by ronniedugdale on Jan 3, 2011 16:19:01 GMT -5
Hi guys I can help you clarify some of your concerns, Dave...At the conference Jim stated that he was going to have the paper and ink tested which would indicate that at that time it had not been done. They know that this has to be done to silence sceptics which chose not to attend the seminar on the 28th when they could of challenged the eye witnesses face to face. Jim mentioned there were 12 pages of binary code and they may be made public at some time but the reason for not making them public has nothing to do with financial gain or t.v shows book deals or the like, you will just have to trust me on this one and accept their decision not to publicise them at this time.some of the codes require further scrutiny. As for the Codes being sent to a university to be decoded. while i understand from Linda's comments at the seminar they had been decoded by two independent experts , any one with basic knowledge of binary codes can decipher them . go to earthfiles.com there you will find the first 5 pages , a simple binary program like Translator binary and you can encode them yourself. home2.paulschou.net/tools/xlate/the code used here is ASC11 , while Jim had no idea what these numbers represented ( Maths never was his strong point ) makes this telepathic download all the more incredible .The two different sets of coordinates has come about because some of Jims 1's and 0's are hard to define, a 0 mistaken for a 1 in binary can mean all the difference, When i set out to decipher the codes using just screenshots from the ancient alien documentary i found the same discrepancies, but rest assured Jim and John want facts so they will be scrutinised closely, just be patient. I have recorded the full seminar and it will be available here shortly . Dave i will inbox your facebook page and perhaps you can arrange them to be posted here, I feel sure this will answer most concerns those of you who were not able to attend the conference may have. ...kind regards Ronnie
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Post by Admin on Jan 3, 2011 16:41:21 GMT -5
Hi guys I can help you clarify some of your concerns, Dave...At the conference Jim stated that he was going to have the paper and ink tested which would indicate that at that time it had not been done. They know that this has to be done to silence sceptics which chose not to attend the seminar on the 28th when they could of challenged the eye witnesses face to face. Jim mentioned there were 12 pages of binary code and they may be made public at some time but the reason for not making them public has nothing to do with financial gain or t.v shows book deals or the like, you will just have to trust me on this one and accept their decision not to publicise them at this time.some of the codes require further scrutiny. As for the Codes being sent to a university to be decoded. while i understand from Linda's comments at the seminar they had been decoded by two independent experts , any one with basic knowledge of binary codes can decipher them . go to earthfiles.com there you will find the first 5 pages , a simple binary program like Translator binary and you can encode them yourself. home2.paulschou.net/tools/xlate/the code used here is ASC11 , while Jim had no idea what these numbers represented ( Maths never was his strong point ) makes this telepathic download all the more incredible .The two different sets of coordinates has come about because some of Jims 1's and 0's are hard to define, a 0 mistaken for a 1 in binary can mean all the difference, When i set out to decipher the codes using just screenshots from the ancient alien documentary i found the same discrepancies, but rest assured Jim and John want facts so they will be scrutinised closely, just be patient. I have recorded the full seminar and it will be available here shortly . Dave i will inbox your facebook page and perhaps you can arrange them to be posted here, I feel sure this will answer most concerns those of you who were not able to attend the conference may have. ...kind regards Ronnie Great stuff Ronnie and thanks for the information, I look forward to your mail. Cheers Dave
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