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Post by Simon on Jan 8, 2011 15:46:04 GMT -5
of the various possibilities, it seems very likely that the original co-ordinates, i.e. Woodbridge, was the intended place. if that's the case, i can only assume that whatever hasn't been released yet from the binary is significant. the whole thing is strangely self-referential.
the other thing that has struck me recently from jim's hypnosis session is the mention of the harvesting of genetic material. given the frequency of UFOs around nuclear bases, it seems unlikely that this instance of a UFO is unrelated to the nuclear weapons nearby (i think i've read rumours that some of the missiles were taken offline at Bentwaters, as in other nuclear/UFO cases), which doesn't really jibe with the abduction-type logic mentioned in the hypnosis. the entire incident is reminding me of the captcha for this post, "i haven't got a clue"!
i think we're chasing our tails until jim releases the rest of the binary.
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Post by lcdvasrm on Jan 12, 2011 16:25:23 GMT -5
Thank you. Then from a DNA microbiology standpoint UQSCEPR means: Ubiquinone species Chondrocyte expressed protein Receptor Perhaps this is coincedence or perhaps this is intended to identify the intention of the exploration? Perhaps a microbiolgist or gene expert can shed some more light. Take a look at this report: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1080/15216549700204471/pdfIt may be the message is part of the mission statement for the craft? (Also when you diagram the molecular chart of the protein it resembles somewhat the pictograms on the craft.) It certainly relates to the hypnosis session where he states "....but it has to do with chromosomes." I hope this proves helpful, and would like to hear some feedback. Regards. Potentially interesting, but I think, we are unable to give a value to your remark by lack of knowledge in the field. When you write "Ubiquinone species Chondrocyte expressed protein Receptor" is this really the only standard way to read UQSCEPR in microbiology ? How did you find this article ? I mean, what sequence of though and search ? UQSCEPR => nothing in google. fig 3/4 don't look like the symbols to me at all. lcdvasrm
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Post by DNA on Jan 13, 2011 21:33:05 GMT -5
The CepR and CepI proteins constitute a global regulatory system, controlling expression of at least 40 genes. Ubiquoinine is important in the process of cell regulation as well. It is interesting that it appears in this, but of course could be a coincidence or misinterpretation.
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Post by ronniedugdale on Jan 23, 2011 18:53:47 GMT -5
@trollcrusherHi Trollcrusher…I will answer a few of the questions for you but will leave the more personnel questions directed to Jim for him to answer Question 02 A. Have the binary codes that Mr. Penniston mentioned on the opening page of this website been revealed, and if so, where may an individual gain access to viewing them?Answer…. the pages of Jims notebook that have thus far been released and deciphered are available for you to view at Earthfiles.comwww.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1804&category=Environment Question 03. Having read airman Larry Warren's "Left at East Gate: A First-Hand Account of the Bentwaters-Woodbridge Ufo Incident, Its Cover-Up, and Investigation" and then having viewed various videos and written accounts from the key witnesses to the Rendlesham incident, Mr. Warren's account / involvement seems to be omitted from said key witnesses' testimony. Taking that personal observation of mine into account, is Mr. Warren's involvement in the events at Bentwaters / Rendlesham to be viewed with a skeptical eye? Answer….You say you have read several books and followed info on the Rendlesham Incident since the mid 1990’s”
Then Trollcrusher you should know that the incident was over 3 days and so Larry Warren and Colonel Halts encounters were two nights after Jim Penniston and John Burroughs previous encounter.
. Having read the book “ Left at East Gate” you would no doubt be aware that it was co authored by Peter Robbins, one of the most experienced investigative writers in America, the book reads like a legal brief No one named in that book has ever approached the authors to say they have made an error in their account or made a false statement concerning them. It is a fact that Larry amongst others under interrogation were “ messed with” he will be the first to hold his hands up and say that there are events that are confusing for him, but, I know Larry and have interviewed him at length along with Peter Robins. My conditions when interviewing both Peter and Larry were this. There are no conditions! I was told you can ask us absolutely anything. You continue… It is one of the main things that keeps haunting me with regard to this case as Mr. Warren's account seems to differ greatly from the other key witnesses' accounts and the level of debriefing they experienced afterwards. In essence, I don't know which story or account is indeed the correct one. I am more apt to go with [ret] Lt. Col. Charles Halt and Mr. Penniston's accounts based upon their seniority and candidness with regard to their involvement in the matter.I have answered the first part of your question previously as regards to the final part of the question, I would suggest that Dept base Commander Lt.Col.Charles Halt when discounting Larry Warrens account over the years and taking snipes at him was merely acting under orders and as Larry was the Original whistle Blower that brought about the release of the Halt Memo leading later to the release of the now infamous Halt tape Charles Halt could well of felt Larry Warren was responsible for ruining his career and that would explain him disrespecting Larry Warren at any opportunity,trying to discredit him and making the endless jibes about “ Little Green Men ” something by the way Larry has never said. I would take the various videos you may have viewed with a pinch of salt, the production companies tend to have the final say over the content of these videos and instead view the various Press Club videos associated to the Rendlesham case available on the net and perhaps now might be a good time to Study “ Left at East Gate” rather than just read it. Then I feel certain that you will find Larry Warrens account concerning him on day three of the Rendlesham incident sincere, truthful and accurate to the best of his belief.
You will find up to date information on this website and audio and video clips that will answer most of your questions for you If you are on facebook join the facebook page Justice for the Bentwaters 81st Security Police at Rendlesham Forest 1980where you can chat to Jim John Larry Peter and many more credible eye witnesses. Great ain’t it unlike Roswell they’re all still alive !
Jim Penniston will no doubt answer your questions in the very near future but it would help if you posted the questions under the correct heading next time ,thanks for your interest and joining us here at bentwaters1980.com forum Kind regards, Ronnie Dugdale
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Post by kieran on Feb 4, 2011 19:53:26 GMT -5
I would appreciate some feedback on this, and do please correct me if I am mistaken. But I think we have a problem. I have taken the time to look at Maps of Woodbridge and even checked out the Map Linda Posted on her site, I believe the map is either on part 2 or 3 of Linda Howe Earthfiles site. The problem is the binary code numbers do not match up with Woodbridge at all... The Binary Code Latitude is 52.0942532 N and Longitude is 13.131269W were Woodbridge town is 52.05.39.31 N 1.18 47.26 E..52.5 and 1.18 does not match up with 52.9 N or 13.13 W.. or even 1.3 E..I have reviewed the evidence to me the correct location is Hy-Brazil.
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Post by ronniedugdale on Feb 4, 2011 20:15:36 GMT -5
Hi Kieran, there was no binary code to indicate where the decimal point should go which caused confusion about the coordinates but Jim Penniston assures us that indeed Hy Brasil is the location of the coordinates, and he should know the message was given to him. kind regards Ronnie Dugdale
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Post by kieran on Feb 4, 2011 20:29:58 GMT -5
Hi Kieran, there was no binary code to indicate where the decimal point should go which caused confusion about the coordinates but Jim Penniston assures us that indeed Hy Brasil is the location of the coordinates, and he should know the message was given to him. kind regards Ronnie Dugdale Hi Ronnie. The decimal point does not matter in this case, Linda Howe made a bad mistake on her site. Woodbridge that location the first three digits are 52.5 Latitude and 1.18 Longitude. The binary code has different digits 52.9... 13.13 if you get what I am saying here!
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Post by kieran on Feb 6, 2011 8:01:23 GMT -5
Woodbridge Town Coordinates Latitude:N 52° 5' 39.3558" Longitude:E 1° 18' 47.3314" Latitude:N 52° 5.655929999999927' Longitude:E 1° 18.788856' Latitude:52.0942655° Longitude:1.3131476°
Some people have been suggesting "Woodbridge" must be the correct location, as the 'GPS' Coordinates for Woodbridge, are similar to the binary code numbers, that were shown on the Ancient Alien series!
If the letter was E , ya ok maybe, but the fact is the binary code revealed a W at the end of the numbers for the longitude. So since there is a N at the end of the numbers for Latitude, and W at the end of the numbers for longitude, well to me, this strongly suggests the course+direction should be in degrees not decimal point!
Google Earth uses the directional+ degree method to find a location not GPS/...
If you use the directional+degree method to find Woodbridge on a map, the Coordinate will end up been.. 52.5.39.35N and 1.18.47.33E
Now use the binary numbers that were shown 52.9.42.352N and 13.13.12.69 Put E there just for this discussion. Woodbridge still would not be found using the degree+directional method!... Now if you use the same binary numbers, to find Hy- Brazil, with a W at the end of the Longitude, instead of E, the location will be further to the West of Ireland. I think the correct location is much closer to "Porcupine Bank" which is off the West Coast Of Ireland!
The problem I think is the Ancient Alien series are using the degree+directional method, which is correct, as we have letter characters at the end of the binary numbers. Linda Howe Experts are using the decimal point method which is GPS!
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Post by lcdvasrm on Feb 6, 2011 17:47:26 GMT -5
Statistically, you can be confident 1000% that it is woodbridge. W or E or whatever.. The coordinates are right on where google places woodbridge town, with a precision of .... 1 in 3600000000 in longitude and 2 in 3600000000 in latitude That's a precision of around 2*Pi*5370e3 m / 3600000000 (long) end 2*Pi*5370e3 m /(3600000000/2) (lat) ==> ... 9cm in longitude and 19cm in latitude which is ridiculously precise and even higher that the precision of google earth that has one less decimal. Now where did google get these coordinates ? Were these specified before 1981 ? This is a good question because these are totally arbitrary and human of course. They don't match any specific feature in the town. Is there any doc where these exact coordinates are specified ? Are these going to become the reference ?.... Openminds found that the coordinates found on dbases on the web give 52.0942531 1.3131269
Google gives 52.094253° 1.313127°
Code Gives 52.0942532 N 1.3131269 E (these exact coordinates give nothing in the google search engine)
So all this fits in a box of 19cm by 9cm on earth...
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Post by redlite on Feb 6, 2011 23:58:12 GMT -5
It was suggested that we over at OMF on the JP board come over here and check out this site. One of our members found a online mapping service that goes by the handle 'get lat lon' and has caused a bit of a rukus. The site went online in Oct. 2007. If you type in 'Woodbridge UK', an incredible coincidence occurs, the code matches to within an almost impossible accuracy. The odds work out to quadrillions to one if you were trying to guess a number the size of the coordinate piece of the code, which is 17 digits long and a couple of letters. 17 digits in a string is in the 10 quadrillion neighborhood. Putting letters in only makes the odds worse. We don't have a good mathmatician over there to help sort things out and my backround as a surveyor helps, but I'm completley out of my element with these kind of calculations.
It would be like finding a briefcase with the little roll-style locks, except this one would have 19 little rollers in this sequence, 9 numerical rollers, then 1 letter roller, then 8 more numerical rollers, then 1 more letter roller. The total number of combinations allowable is staggering, to say the least.
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Post by redlite on Feb 7, 2011 0:43:41 GMT -5
Sorry, I had a bit of distraction in the house before I could finish my briefcase illustration...
If you tried one time to guess the combo on the briefcase and then tried to guess our state lottery sequence right afterward, you would have to do this 14 million times to win the state lottery, the calculated odds. The briefcase howerver would remain locked. But don't stop there, try it again, same thing...lottery, briefcase...you will the state lottery over 650,000,000 times, at the 14 million to one odds, before the briefcase opens. That's how hard it is to hit the 19 digit/letter sequence. It would be nice if someone more qualified checked the calcs. Not quit sure how to handle this fact, any ideas?
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Post by kieran on Feb 8, 2011 11:56:02 GMT -5
This is my Post from another Forum site in response to another member on that site. I think we need to get away from arguing about which location is it, but in my opinion, it is Hy-Brazil, tell you in one minute why i think that, both locations Woodbridge and Hy-Brazil could have equal importance, as the experience Jim and John had was at location very close to Woodbridge. The binary code is not the full picture!! That craft ended up in the forest for a reason or many reasons?
Here is my take on why I believe Hy Brazil might be the correct location. This was in response to a member of another forum,
Yes the Binary code has 9 numbers first then the N at the end of these numbers then a further 8 numbers show up with W at the end of the numbers.
What I said before is "Google Earth"... if you use GPS which is decimal degrees/ the numbers would like this 52.0942352, now with GPS You'll need to put a decimal point somewhere to get you started usually not more then 1 to 2 numbers then the decimal point. So it like this 1.3131269 or 13.131269 or even 131.1 but you can discount that as the location, as 131.1 is putting you outside the "British Isles" so cross that out.
"Google Earth GPS is using 8 numbers for the longitude and 7 numbers for the latitude.. It not using a seven decimal rule/ it is using a six decimal rule!!!... But another Program like Google Earth might use seven, but Google Earth is using a six decimal point rule not seven..
Also GPS that format (Linda Howe experts were using GPS) would not use letter at the end of the numbers!!!
Woodbridge in GPS format would be like this lon minus -1.3131269 a letter never does come after the numbers in GPS. But the binary code clearly is showing a letter after each end of numbers... to me strongly suggests the format should be read in "DMS" degrees minutes seconds and decimal seconds!! and using the six decimal rule too that "Google Earth" is using in their program!!!...
You'll get a format like this 52 09' 42 six decimal rule implied .352"N= the right amount of numbers 9 in the binary code Same again 13 13' 12 six decimal point rule implied 69"W Exactly 8 right amount in the binary code!!!
This is what has convinced me though. Both The DMS degrees minutes and seconds, and GPS decimal degrees are exactly the same for Western coast of Ireland..
Western Coast of Ireland> DMS 52 09' 42. 352" N 13 13' 12.69" W
>GPS LAT 52.0942352 Minus Lon -13.131269
Woodbridge Town> DMS 52 05' 38 18"N 1 18' 47 97" E
> GPS LAT 52.0942352 Minus Lon -1.3131269
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Post by majicbar on Feb 12, 2011 12:41:26 GMT -5
sorry posted the wrong pic. Here is the picture: From my posting on this subject at "Open Minds Forum": "Still some code makes no sense, like the code before the 8100, which might be ESC, ESC, ESC, or which some think means 333, or 666. 66.6 compass degrees at 8100 meters would then place a second way-point on the runway at the airbase and just short of the location of the nuclear bunkers. This series is a 3 segment series of 7 bit 1's and 0's, which is odd but may reflect specific inputs to a compass being used by the craft from its first way-point." Thinking further on this I came to an observation that were the correct interpretation "66.6 degrees", that would probably not give one the same kind of precision that a 7 byte decimal geolocation gives the craft. So I began to wonder if this three groups of seven bit encoding wasn't in-fact a 21 bit encoding of a "Compass Call". Within a 360.0 degree compass, there are only 3600 possible calls! Now if one then draws a radius of 8100 meters that leaves each call in the 3600 to have a slop of 14.138 meters or 42.865 feet per call. Now let us consider that the "Compass Call" is given in some combination of 3 X 7 bits per bytes, or in a single call of 21 bits. At 21 bits the call then has a total of 2^21 calls, or 2,097,152 calls, or a division at 8100 meters of the circle to a fineness of 2.4268 centimeters per call , or 0.955 of an inch. This is only half the finesse of the latitude, longitude coordinates at 7 decimals one finds in the crafts binary download, but better than what would be offered at calls in a compass which was limited to those in a 360.0 degree compass. The actual coding of the compass might be something indirect, the numbering system does not at first make obvious sense, but the resolution that is offered seems within keeping of the accuracy that it (the craft) seems to be capable of. Read more: lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ukufo08&action=display&thread=9395&page=25#ixzz1Dle5pAu9
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Post by majicbar on Feb 13, 2011 18:47:42 GMT -5
Meanwhile over at the Open Minds Forum we may be continuing the progress in parsing the code. "The though(t) also occurred that if the machine was intelligent enough to realize (who) it was communicating with and an American Military person then any compass directions would be in "Mills" and not degrees. Also it would be smart enough to allow for the magnetic deviation of time." My feeling is that the "Compass Call" would be in true direction and not magnetic, especially with the changing of the magnetic pole being as rapid as we see it now. I seem to recall Penniston being asked by the machine if he could see the Binary image, but I don't anticipate that the craft was "thinking" who it was communicating to, more than it might have only thought it was communicating to a repair person which is why it seems to have been reporting its' programming vs. it's actual location ( pending seeing the whole binary coding). That the "Compass Call" might be in "Mills" and not occurred to me, perhaps it is so, or in some similar future compass arrangement. The notion of the compass with this type of 2^21 encoding also allows for "wrap-around" calculations in waypoint coursing by simple computer manipulation without having to resort to a more complicated figuring when using a 360 degree compass. I seemed to have stumbled into some kind of discovery. Mills would only divide the compass into 6400 calls, at 2+million calls the craft seems to be using a much finer compass technology than we possess, and probably has to rely on astronomical observations of galaxies rather than stars in our Milky Way because in thousands of years they move enough to be unreliable as navigational aids. Indeed the craft seems to be a very interesting encounter teaching us all sorts of things we would not normally encounter. Now if I can only figure out how that encoded "Compass Call" relates to 66.6 degrees. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompassAs one can see we are making progress, slowly finding out more which supports Penniston's encounter as one of very "high strangeness".
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Post by longeyes on Feb 27, 2011 11:05:48 GMT -5
Hello All
Anyone know what if anything was revealed yesterday the 26th at the UFO Conference in Phoenix?
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